Library System Reset and Somnia Online w/KT Hanna

Welcome And Author Highlights

Welcome everyone to In Other Worlds, the Lit RPG Game Lit and Fantasy Podcast. I am your host, Jess, and today we are here with Katie Hanna. Katie, how are you? Katie. I am good today. Fantastic. Yeah, take it down by dead. Yes. Sorry. So you are the author of several books. You have, well, a few series and some standalone novels. I have them written down here because it's a lot. So we've got The Domino Project.

It's like one of my favorites. I love that. It's very old though.

The Last Chance series. Darling. Well, that is actually one that I do want to talk about later. So Darling.

I love that. That that is a guilty pledge of book.

Mm-hmm. Uh, you co-wrote The System Apocalypse Australia with Tao Wong. You've got Insomnia Online, which is a completed series. Yes. And then your most recent one, Library System Reset, which the final book is going to be coming out on April 28th, very, very soon. I'm very excited. Is it going to be a simultaneous release? So all formats at once?

Yes, it should be. I'm I'm rushing to get the book done. Um, my typographer has been sick, so uh I just got the file for um uploading to uh have print versions, but I'm I'm hoping they'll be available on release day.

Nice.

So give us kind of a brief overview of library system reset.

In this universe, uh in the universe, um there is magic everywhere. Earth doesn't have magic because currently we have too low concentration of magic to really be magical, you know. But everywhere else in the universe like has pockets of magic, and you know, and there is a library that is in charge of filtering all the magic and filtering the the like corruption out of the magic, the chaos elements out of the magic. Um, and it gets sabotaged and people it gets shut down, people can't return their books, and that's where it starts, is when the main character gets isakai from Earth to the universal library and has to fix it. It is running on the dregs of power, about to completely fail and have a cascade failure, which will basically destroy magic in the universe and let chaos free, and it will devour everything. Quinn just has to fix the library before they finish the sabotage. That's all.

And so if the library did not get fixed and chaos magic reigned supreme, that's and and it destroys everything. That's basically like it, right? That's everything that's the devour.

Yeah, my chaos magic, like it it creates, and then when it starts to run out of magic, it devours what it created. It's like it's like a cannibal. It just it it cannibalizes the magic it's already given out to be able to start the cycle again, uh, which means every species, every world, every development that it has created, it will go back and destroy just to start again. That is why the library was created uh to harness the chaotic energies and filter them so that the magic could be used without destroying everything that it had created.

That's not how I want things to end.

In out of things, as Earth people, we'd just be there one second and gone the next because we'd just be gone. Yeah.

Meet Lynx And The Glitches

So, you know, no different. Um, I'm gonna try and keep everything to spoiler light and as close as I can to book one. For anyone who has not read the rest of the series or or book one. Well, I definitely won't be aiming for big spoilers. So when she gets to the library, she is greeted by Lynx, who is uh not an animal companion, but like the physical manifestation of the library system. Did you choose Lynx because you had already come up with the abbreviation for the letters, or did you come up with the abbreviation because you wanted to use a lynx?

Well, keep in mind that lynx is only ever in lynx form, rarely. Um, after the be after the initial thing. He appears as a lynx because he feels like a cat, which he doesn't get quite right because he's a lynx, um, would be appealing to humans. And it's his name. You know, it's his anacron. Is it what's it called? Ana? Is that what it's called? An acronym. Yeah. Yeah. For his title. I wanted a purple and black swirly cat, which is kind of what he is, because I love the Cheshire cat. So that's like my homage to the Cheshire cat. And he's a cheeky little bugger. So I I I had what his name was, uh what he is, and I had um his and I love Lynx's, so it was but then it was easier for him to have him in human form, so he is in human form most of the time. Plus, it makes his eyes and and swirly magic, his runic magic really pop when he's human.

So nice. Yeah. Yeah, I liked that he was initially a cat. I mean, kind of a cat.

Yeah.

Well, and he pops into it every now and again through the books, especially when he's fighting. Um, because it's, you know, just easier with claws, like hello. Um better than fingers, right? Sharp. So yeah, uh that's why I have links.

Yeah.

And you find out And I really like the name Lynx.

Yeah. It it was a good name. I mean, it made sense. It made sense. Yeah. And you find out pretty early in the book that he's not quite all there.

Yeah.

You do there are bits and pieces of him missing. Yeah. And then you find out through the progression of the series what's going on and who's the little library. Yeah.

Like he's like he's missing pieces of of memory, I think you could say. I think that's because it's really that's obvious halfway through the book. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. There's like a little bit of a corruption in the glitchy stuff going on that isn't quite there.

Yeah. Breadcrumbs.

Spoiler light.

Yeah. And so I write in breadcrumbs. I'm not a I must have I I I love that because when I was growing up, I loved mystery movies that gave me like the hints. And I'd, you know, I'm I'm bad. I'll watch something with my husband in five minutes, and I'm like, oh, it's this person because of this, this, and this.

And he's like, what the room is.

And I'm like, yeah, thanks, mate. Um, and so that's how I like to write, is I like people, I like to have a reveal and people to go, oh wait, and get it all to like cascade in and just yeah.

Do you do that intentionally throughout the series? Do you have that planned out ahead of time, or is that something that you just organically kind of do at this point?

I think it's a bit of both. Like, I'm like, okay, I'm gonna this is gonna be the ultimate reveal, so I need to hint at this through the whole thing. Like, because I always have my end point in mind, and then I just kind of like gradually steer the characters some way towards that. Because uh seriously, sometimes I'm just like, but can no, that path is much clearer. Can we no okay? Guess we're taking the old overgrown path that we're gonna have to slash our way through. Thank you so much.

Yeah, that's one of the benefits, that's one of the like downsides to not being someone who meticulously plots everything out.

Yeah, I I used to um the domino project is completely planned out, like so finagled that um yeah, it was completely planned, and then I had to edit it 12 times.

So that does not work for me.

Well, I'm glad that you found a way that you are making it work.

I I'm kind of a plancer. I have like my ideas and I head towards them and everything changes on the way, but I eventually get there. So good. Yeah, good.

Bookworms Night Owls And Magic Books

You do a good job of doing that too. That's fantastic. Uh so when she first gets the one of the one of the first things that she has to do when she gets to the library is there's most of the library is shut down and she has to reopen the library bit by bit and branch by branch of hallway and whatnot. But she has to fight overgrown bookworms. Well, how did you come up with the idea for the bookworms? How did that whole thing play out? Like, because they're not, you I mean, they're not like normal-sized worms.

Okay, so the magic system for library is that the library books hold all measure of magic. They hold their tones, you know, they're magical tones. And so they they have to be created in specific ways. So from the paper from magical trees to the the ink to the um to the way they're written, to how they're written, um, I developed that magic system beforehand. And the bookworms have to be eaten by the night owls who then once a year give us give a feather that can be used as a quill to write the books of that specific magic that the bookworm has devoured. So bookworms are only like are um discipline specific so that the library can create the correct books, right? Like written in magic so the books themselves are magical, and the books themselves absorb um like ambient magic. And that's how the library continually keeps its um power up as it filtrates the mana that flows into it. So yeah, they were tied.

Yeah, and it's a pretty self-sustaining, like system it's a pretty self-sustaining ecosystem in the library where everything they need to write the books is in the library. They don't have to go hunting for anything.

Yeah.

Who writes the books and how do they come up with the ideas for the books?

It's just as the books, this is like technically it's not really spoilery, but it gets covered really briefly in book four. But it's like lore. Like it's the lore behind it is that people who are disciplined in a magic, play with it and create and push that magic, which then creates a new discipline. And then that magic will have so like if you've got air magic, you'll have it. Um I should use fire, fire's easier. Fire creation, fire cessation. So like if you would then extinguish fire. So if you can only create fire, but you can't put it out, stop creating fire. It's a problem, yeah. Um, yeah. Also, like uh creation from nothing is different to creation with um like wood present. So if you need something flammable to create fire, it would be different from just creating fire from nothing. So, like, there's all different disciplines under each aspect of the magic, and that's why there's like 722 affinities when you start the book. Because just like fire isn't just an affinity, it's fire creation is an affinity, fire. Um, yeah, fire extinguishing is uh is one air creation or like air, like taking air away from something is different to just like causing a gust of wind or something. So, like if you had like air trapping, I guess I'd call it. I don't know. I I I have a list somewhere. Um, if you have air trapping and fire creation, you could then extinguish the fire by taking the oxygen away from it. Which Quinn does in, I think, book one or two, I think at some stage. And everybody has your average people have like, you know, dozen, dozen or so affinities. Um, your super powerful people will have like 40, 60, 70. Quinn has every single affinity because of course I mean, she's the librarian.

Yeah, but all not all librarians have had all of them. True. But Quinn's she is the main character. Yeah, she is she's better. She's better than that.

Yeah.

I mean, has lots of plot armor. You kill off the main character and kind of the book kind of occasionally I get tempted, but no.

Um when she makes you better armor. I had a ball creating this system. It's what I did first. I I created, I wrote a scene which has nothing to do with Quinn being a beginner librarian. It's when she's like super overpowered. I wrote that scene and then I went, how does the magic system work? And I made it. Because this book was originally supposed to be just cozy.

Mmm.

Okay. And then she met the bookworms and they were engorged. Yeah, and then that ended up. Those fights are not cozy fights, no. But I had somebody the other day classify the book as cozy, which I'm like, slice of life, maybe? Like, maybe. Maybe Oh, when I was originally posting it on Royal Road, though, I also had people tell me how horrible it was that I had a library-based series that wasn't just people sitting around drinking tea and reading books.

And I was like, Who wants to read about that?

I mean, I don't know.

Who's like, okay, I'm sorry. Who wants to read about that? Yeah, I mean, maybe it would be like noble bright, maybe. It's got action that's full of hope, and you know it's gonna be okay. I don't, I don't know. Yeah, definitely not cozy though. Not cozy.

Well, I I I classify it now as like it's got a little bit of cozy here, a little bit of slice of life, bit of action, bit of adventure. It's like a mishmash, mash.

Sentient Furniture And The Library Core

Yeah, but a great one. I think you uh you put also very early in book one, uh, you meet some other people who live in the library, but they don't look like people. You've got some very sentient and at that first introduction, very mean. Um I think it's early in chapter five, I think she came.

It's early. I did not like she was never on the radar, and I was writing that scene, and I was like, I've started, and it's like, excuse me, don't sit on me.

And I was like, where did that come from? And I was like, apparently the bench could talk.

And then I had to plan for that at all.

No, and then I had hilarious, and then I had to look up like some Latin to mash it together to make it like sentient furniture, so they became the superelics for Torah. I love Dottie, she's one of my favorites.

Yeah, yeah. And at first you think, okay, well, it's just Dottie, like it's gonna be the only one. But then Quinn gets into some trouble and has to be like carried the treatment. That's right.

I forget I think he only shows up like six times in the series because I'm like, I need a cart that can talk.

So he's a vaguely recurring character. But I love him, he's wonderful too. It works though, it works. And then I think I mentioned that there's other sentient furniture, but I just I'm like, dude, I've already got like by the by that time, I think I already had like 40 characters to juggle, and I'm like, not doing that.

Yeah, I mean, when she's passed out, there is definitely a multi sentient furniture conversation going on. Yeah. There's a few. There's a few trying to figure out how to get her up the stairs.

I know. But then the library's kind of sentient too, so yeah, yeah, yeah.

So then the main kind of focal point of the library when she goes kind of down into it is a tree.

Yeah.

Did you pick a tree because paper is made from trees?

Is that uh more like the tree of life in the Iggasil? Okay. Ig is it Igdisil? Yeah, that's it.

Yeah.

Yeah. Um because I I kind of wanted that, but in like a computer-y way, where it's like attached to everything. Um, and so that's where that idea came from. Because that and books, and it just kind of fit for a library to have to be based on top of a root structure of information. Um, and so that's where that came from.

Yeah.

And uh and and like she says in it, she's like, oh, it looks like wood, but it's it's like obviously not like um and uh you don't really find out what that is for a very long time.

So yeah, and she is able to interface with it. So yeah. Definitely not. She's connected to it. Yeah.

Yeah, definitely not a tree. Yeah. It's like it was meant to be kind of like a so you know when you have like um artificial, like even when you have a computer and you uh and if you're like my husband and you're obsessive compulsive and you make all the beautiful little wires look amazing, even when you're looking at the motherboard and all the wires and all the like intricate little circuits and everything, that was like part of the idea behind it. That the that the branches were actually like like gateways and pathways of information um that needed to be connected, that needed to be activated.

So um yeah, I mean my mind immediately went to like root system. Yeah, because even the roots of the trees are are very much like that.

Yeah. And that's where the core came from. So like the the central hub, I guess. I love the series. I love the the system.

Naming Thousands Of Books

The system is yeah, it's so fun. Uh now, for people who are familiar with the genre uh or familiar with other authors in the genre. You have books in the library that are named after other authors. Did you come up with those names? Did you let them pick the names? Did they know they were gonna be in the books? Um, a few of them knew. I just be like, oh, I named a book after you.

Oh, I named a book after you. Um, or I'm gonna name a book after you. And uh a few of them were people who bid in auctions and I named books after them. Um like Doug Lois. Is that how you say his last name? Doug Lois? I think so. Yeah. He's he's got I actually named two books after him.

Yeah.

Did you immediately just say to yourself, why did I write a book about a library? Now I have to name all these books.

Well, it was more that because of the way, because of how special the books are. Like the books, so and you find out this really quickly, you have to fill the she has to go and find the books that are borrowed out of the library. There's like 18,000 of them and 18,000 and 42, because 42 is the answer to everything, the universe and everything, right? Yeah. She has to go find all of them, but the thing is, specific ones of them are earmarked for opening that without those books, you can't open the associated branches. So they've got like the um horticulture branch, crafting, cooking, etc. etc. She has to go get them specifically to open. So I had to name the books. I couldn't just say you have to go get five books. Like they had to have names because and then and then the ones that are like specifically, you know, the the the bad books that are missing, and the the ones that are intricately uh tied into the you know, whole base of the library itself, um that are needed to stabilize it. Like they come up multiple times in the in the series. Like I have to get them and bring them, and I have to. On occasion, I've got like passages from those books. So it was a lot of fun though.

Yeah, kind of impossible to not have to come up with names for books at that point. Yeah. When you're specifically mentioning certain ones because you can't just be like book A, book B.

Yeah, exactly. So like they have to have names. I was like, I may as well have fun with these names. So I had a lot of fun with those names.

It was really good. All right, and so I want to uh talk about a few of your other books. So we'll we will transition over to those, but this one is coming out in all formats April 28th.

Read it. Audio ebook, hopefully paperback. If it's not out on paperback on Tuesday, it'll be out like within a day or two.

Insomnia Online And MMO Nostalgia

Good. That's what I'm gonna get. Let's talk psalmia online. I love my Somnia Online, which is very dear to my heart. Um, give everyone kind of a quick overview. of that book.

Okay, so when I first back in the darker days of Lid RFPG, when it first started, when I first started writing Lid RPG, it was uh early 2018. Um keep in mind, okay, so backstory. I met my husband in EverQuest II. Um moved to America, got married. Super gamers like like hardcore, leave Ventrillo open, call us when a contested mob pops so that our girl gets the server locked down, timeout gaming rain guild schedules.

Yep, yeah, raiding guild schedules comes before work like you read it awful work until the new expansion comes out.

Yep. Yep. New uh expansion comes out, stay up for three days to hit stuff. My husband gave me Awaken Online and said you have to read this book. He was like it is like us. And I was like what? So I resisted at first for a couple of months and then I read it and I went huh and then I read Ascend Online I read Play to Live or just stopped off for a few books as it gets anyway. And then I read I can't remember what else I read. I read a couple more and went oh I have an idea and so I grabbed EverQuest 1, EverQuest II and Vanguard and tracked them in a blender and made a magic system. And it is about a VR game that has some real-world impact and basically Murmur is her character's name and Ren is her real name has always been a healer and loves it and is freaking amazing at it. But when you go to play Somia online it scans you and it determines what type of character you as a person are best suited to play. And most of her friends get the same character they would have played but Myrm does not Myrmur gets a psionicist and Channer like My Magic which has always been the character I've played. I've always played my and then they took them away and I was very upset that nobody I was I was illusionist all the way. Yeah I was a chorus in EQ2 yeah so um channel at EQ1 chorus at EQ2 so she has to get used to this new class that she's never played and would never have chosen herself she meets uh you know characters gets given quests has to level up stuff glitches because it's a a new a new MMO a VR MMO RPG where they're in like those pods and stuff you know and so she just plays the game and uh a lot of stuff glitches there are revelations which I can't reveal yeah it's hard not to to because you I know it's like one but it's such a huge piece of information anyway and so there are like elements that that that that happen in the game that leak through to the real world and affect the real world because oh man that's that's like big reveal like you can't because of the way the game was set up the I guess administrative matrix inside it is corrupted and it's up to Myrm and her guild because there's like 12 ish side main side characters I guess 11 main side characters because they make up a two six main group and they go on raids together and they arrange raids with other guilds and they have to get a guild base and they have to fight through these dungeons to um reach like the ultimate foe I guess the the ultimate end boss endgame boss but in doing so they also have to juggle this uh corruption that's in the system. If they don't it'll affect more than just something online. Have I I don't really I don't think I spoiled too much. No no you did not I think I think that's no you did that was good yeah that was very non that was enough information without the spoilers right yeah but yeah I it just having played IQ2 for so many years I read it and was like oh I feel like I'm back like I know it makes me miss playing oh right yeah and like I feel like that's part of why I love writing literature I don't have the time to play to the extent that I used to love to so now I can just write the game I would like to play if that makes sense.

Last Chance And System Driven Resurrection

So that is a that is also what six or seven books? Seven seven seven books and that's completed seven books so that is a complete series that people can read if you were an MMO player in the early 2000s it'll really take you back there.

It's fantastic the last chance series oh I will eventually finish it I just it I love it I love it so much um I think it has the best tagline I've ever done not even Death Can Kill You I love it I love Dare is it Dare? It's Dare right Dare I think is the main character.

So this one I have not read um uh because I didn't know about it until yesterday um but I love urban fantasy and so see so do I I an urban fantasy litter pg just seems amazing to me well I tell you what six years ago nobody cares urban fantasy is so good I know well and Andy read it and Andy was like oh my god Katie you have to do this book and I went I don't know and and she was like come on and so we did the book and it just nobody wanted urban fantasy little RPG at least not in 2020.

So uh it did really badly um and then I got book two out and it did really badly um it's only sold like a few several hundred copies for the first maybe and a few hundred for the second like it hasn't the odd thing is though the people who love the book love the book. Like I have literally diehard fans from these books so I really owe them to write the third book. I've just got to read the first two again so I remember where I stopped.

Oh yeah now I'm gonna have to pick up the first two books.

So you will have to write the third okay so the the whole premise is that there is a system underlying Earth. Okay. If you die via an element so if you're drowning or if you have like for like fire it's smoke inhalation because you otherwise you'd be burned to a crisp. Electricity uh earth if you would like get covered by a landslide something like that pulled under by quicksand I don't know um it triggers it it searches its system when people die like that to see if they need any agents who require that element and so the main character in the very first freaking chapter so I'm not like spoiling anything uh gets hit by a falling electrical wire and gets electrocuted and they think she's dead they think Dare is dead and Dare wakes up in the ambulance on the way and they're like oh so Dare was out of it for like dirty 40 seconds when the system just rebooted them. And so uh yeah and it it and uh there's like you know they they have to abide by the system that's then in them that gives them directions and gives them missions and gives them parameters and um we'll also punish them if they go against what they have to do because basically their life is in the hand of the system. So anybody who gets this is indebted to the system for still being alive otherwise so basically the system can go well if you don't do what we tell you to do we're just gonna let you die. We'll just take back the life we gave you. Yeah yeah so that's kind of the whole premise and Dare's not necessarily somebody who likes authority following rules yeah so Dare is a little uh a little gung-ho sometimes so I love it it's one of my favorites but uh just did not do well sadly well who knows but you know sometimes you just have a hit and a miss I mean maybe urban fantasy will pick back up and then it'll be a revival and then I'll just have to write a third book and I'll have a whole trilogy.

Yeah I'll it was only ever meant to be a trilogy so it's not I'll I'll pick up book one and two and I'll read them and then I'll do my TikTok reviews and maybe it'll be like an urban fantasy little RPG okay I was so proud of it dude I'm sick I don't you don't even understand how proud of this book I am I absolutely love it.

I thought it was you know because I'm the author I thought it was actually you know it's usually I just think my books suck. But I really loved this book. So I should I should know that when I write a book and I actually love it, oh don't release it Katie because it's gonna do really bad nine times out of ten I'm like are you sure it's good? Are you sure I should release this? Are you sure I should publish this but I really love this story.

So and then the last book I wanted to talk about was Darling which is like a fairy tale like a dark fairy tale book that I also didn't know about until yesterday um the cover is amazing and creepy it cost me like 50 bucks pre-made I like it but it has the row houses it needed to have the row houses.

What Comes Next And New Projects

Yeah it is a a twisted horror retelling of Peter Pan from Wendy's point of view oh yes I okay so I used to have I I I've had two agents I have pursued trad publishing and my last agent loved horror or said she loved horror anyway and I pitched this to her and I said I said I told her about it and she was like oh my god you have to write that and I said I don't know if this ending is gonna be like sellable I was like I don't think people are gonna like the ending like it's got when I say twisted I mean twisted like I saw uh you know those Disney pictures that people draw where they like make the like uh princesses like horror-ish there's one of them that went around about 10 years ago that had Wendy standing on the deck of a ship but she looked like she was um part zombie like she looked evil and um and I went oh my god and that's where I got the idea for Darling from oh my gosh and so I wrote Darling and it is anyway my anyway I gave it to my agent and she read it and started loving it and then finished it and didn't contact me and I was like what's up so I I call her after like a week because she was like giving me play by plays and all of a sudden she stopped and I was like it was the ending wasn't it oh my yeah dude it's so gonna um but she was horrible like she was she literally got on the phone and was like oh my god this is the worst thing you've ever written how could you have written this is horrible I said no I told you what it was about like what did you think was gonna happen I told you the ending I didn't write for like a year after that uh but then when I published my own books I went you know I just want darling to be out there because I feel like being contrary and I'm putting the book out there and I got one of my friends to read it I got Nick to read it and he read it and he was like Katie you need to publish this book so that's why it's dedicated to Nick so nice yeah that's more than I'm adding to my list of books that I want to pick up because I love this book so much but it is twisted as hell like it is don't go into this expecting warm fuzzies okay so um I won't yeah it's set in like 1906 England I think and I use like all of these maps so like it's literally accurate map wise to like 1906 London. Wow as well as like my idea board on Pinterest had all of the like couture all of the like you know fashion and everything from there so um I tried to period mood it so but I love writing this book. I really love this book. So I'm gonna read it yeah it's good I like it so I have I will have like four finished series I think with this one with library on Tuesday oh my god I can't believe it's almost done that is like scary speaking of it being finished on Tuesday what's next okay so I know we talked about we briefly talked about it at Dragon Con which I didn't I didn't say anything to anybody uh so I don't know what you can say I'm not gonna say anything I actually have two I have one series that was published on an obscure web novel site um that I have all the rights back to that is called Alchemical Imbalance that is a that is about a assassin it's like a progression fantasy assassin training academy book okay um in a world where they don't think magic exists and the main character finds out purely by accident that it does still exist. It's just not how you thought magic was okay and they have to fight the people who've been using like evil ways to gain powers because it's not really magic if you know what I mean in order to bring the magic back. But it's an assassin-based one who uses like blow darts too I like assassinate yeah yeah I like that she's really good at po at like potions and stuff that's why it's called Alchemical Imbalance um so that one um I'm gonna be publishing at some stage I've just got to get audio organized and then my new one that I'm in the process of writing I've written a little bit on it I've got to get the right voice in it it is going to be I don't know like it's more like I haven't like published any of it yet and I don't want to I don't know if I should like it's really good.

So well let me ask you some It's post-apocalyptic okay post-apocalyptic apocalypse is it uh is it uh more on the dark side or more on the light side?

Yes so it's a heavier dark side okay yes I'm trying to ask questions that are gonna be very light knowing what I know already that aren't going to give anything away so it's post-apocalyptic um joint alien forces that the earth belongs to versus obscure evil guys attacking and as is usual in 90% of the books that I write there is a glitch in the system because that's what I like too and that's literally what it's about is this massive glitch in the system that everybody seems to ignore. And the main character's like what the hell so um I think that yeah it it changes the glitch that happens changes the main character's powers completely.

Yes and he's not the first one they've done it to there we go that's good right that's a good so that's a really good description and yeah I only vaguely know a little bit more than that.

I only know I'm very excited for it.

I'm very excited for it.

So I'm looking forward to you um putting out the full information I'm really excited because it's um it's actually uh got a male main character for once which I don't often do I've done like alternating POVs like in Domino project I have two male point of views and one female point of view. But in in this it's it's mostly going to be a male point of view because it didn't matter what I tried it it's definitely the main character is not a girl. So yeah sometimes it just doesn't work like that. Sometimes that's just not how it works. They're just fine. Yeah but I'm really excited for it because it's a concept I've wanted to play with for years.

Where To Find Katie Online

Well I'm excited to hear more thank you before I wrap everything up uh was there anything that we didn't talk about that you wanted to get out there?

Oh I have a Discord and I have Patreon. Perfect um where I will be posting the first chapters of my books before anywhere else. I'll be going to LitRPG Con. Fantastic which I'm really excited for but that's the only convention I'm doing this year.

So no dragon this year no DragonCon this year.

I had a I've had a pretty tough year so since Dragon Con last year I uh I wanted to pace myself this year so we're just doing one convention. Smart and yeah so um I think I know oh if you like uh post-apocalyptic books where a mom is trying to save her two kids then you should read my my uh System Apocalypse Australia series um because that's centered all around there she basically town builds specifically to save her two kids oh she's a single mom and I mean it's Australia and a system apocalypse is just going to mutate everything that's deadly already. Everything already wants to kill you there. I know right oh I had so much fun in book three I think I mutated a flesh eating tick with a trapdoor spider because that was fun. It has drop bears too but they're not till book two.

Uh yeah everything already wants to kill you and now it's even worse. Exactly why not make it more fun yes no it's really not I think that's all I've really got. And I will um I will link to everything so I will also link to your um do you have TikTok?

I do I just I'm not very good at using it. I I tend to just share other people's stuff I'll link to it and yeah I do have TikTok.

Final Thanks And Sign Off

I'll link to your TikTok I will do you have an author Facebook page I think you do. Yes I will link to that as well uh I will link to your Patreon I will link to your Discord yeah so I'll put all the links for everything in the description Katie thank you so much for coming and being on thank you for having me you are always a blast excited for my book uh I will it has the best cover ever yeah it is beautiful it's beautiful very pretty it really is I will see you at litrpg con you will and uh everyone else thanks for sticking around and keep leveling up